Yep, when he gives Jin a pep talk of sorts about how he needs to control Yukianesa instead of Yukianesa controlling him and that he when he wants to fight him he should do it as his brother.

Then he taunts Yukianesa saying his little brother is pretty strong and that it should watch its ass.

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Well TM and Nora already said everything I wanted to say.

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I know it is a little late to put this, but anyways:

I always thought that Tsubaki's view of Jin was not completely made up. It is pretty idealized, especially when you see Jin during CT and CS, however I am quite convinced that Jin wasn't that far away from the ideal, heroic guy Tsuabki sees.

In the academy Jin was an honor student, president of the council and well respected. But why would a guy like him do such things? Jin really seems to do what he feels like and send to hell everything else, and even though Jin admitted all his achievements felt empty and that everyone picked things for him he kept doing them.

My guess is that Jin actually was someone who had good ideals, tried to fight for what was right and do good for others. He was a well intentioned guy like Tsubaki says (even if idealized) that despite his own troubles he kept going because he had goals and ideals.

Ragna in Jin's CS story asks to Jin what did his nox take away, all nox Nyctores take something from the wielder. So my guess, Yukianesa took away Jin's ideals. Perhaps the influence of the sword wasn't strong during the academy, but the exact point Jin became the overlord of assholes the war of Ikaruga, the sword ate Jin's goals and without nothing to believe in, he became utterly apathetic, cold and obsessed with the few things that actually meant anything to him.

In CS Jin's realization and personality "level up" came in when he was set on two things: prove Tsubaki of how delusional the concept of absolute order and justice are and how she is being fooled by it and most importantly, save her. In other words he got a new goal, something to fight for, meaning he isn't Yukianesa's bitch anymore and can go back to how he used to be, or at least in part.

There are some hints here and there that Jin's power of order works better the more control Jin has of himself. Meaning that the lack of motivation Yukianesa creates by taking away something from Jin and the emotion amplification are in reality a seal on the power of order. When Jin actually overcomes the sword and pulls himself together he can actually be really strong, Tsubaki had no chance against Unlimited Jin (and was okay after the fight solely because Jin was aiming at Phantom, not winning), he managed to force Hazama retreat and despite getting his ass handed over he could stall Mu long enough for Ragna to arrive (no small feat, also Mu blocks the power of order).

There is also the possibility that Jin needs Yukianesa's influence to block the power of order, though he doesn't know it. The power of order apparently makes him antagonistic towards phenomena altering enttities, so he could succumb to it, but having Yukianesa prevents that. If he gets rid of the sword the power of order consumes him, if he controls the sword, his emotions and himself he can access and master his own power, so he needs it despite all the crap Yukianesa means.

Okay I am done with my idiotic ideas, carry on guys.

actually some of those theories are really good

There's something else about Yukianesa with Jin that I don't quite understand yet.

In both games and in multiple cases, Yukianesa has been feeding Jin memories.

For most of this shit though, you need to pay attention to the ARCADE Mode (not story mode)

It happened in CT here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imnDrL9laPc#t=5m10s


And it happened AGAIN in continuum shift, the EXACT same Phenomena that occured in CT is also seen in CS here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGpx-qfzZ-I#t=11m23s



It seems to be Yukianesa's doing, and there's also how Jin somehow remembers the Ikaruga incident and what happened when he killed Tenjo exactly, in all cases he's getting memories that he's not supposed to have, and it appears to be because of Yukianesa.

Then, in the end of CS, Jin finally reveals it was Saya who gave him Yukianesa. This causes a realization of sorts as it explains why the rush of information comes from Yukianesa into him when he sees Nu-12 in CT, and possibly his sudden anger towards Hazama. Saya doesn't really seem to care too much about Hazama, so it's possible that it's not Yukianesa that's controlling Jin, it was Saya's doing all along. Or, perhaps, Saya is also trying to push Jin in a certain direction.

There has to be more to Yukianesa then we know. If Saya is using it as a channel to influence Jin, it would explain a lot of the strange phenomena that has occured.

With all in that in mind, there's still another mystery that hasn't been solved yet, exactly what the hell happened when Jin fought Noel in CT. That was some strange crap that, as far as i'm aware, hasn't been explained yet.

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Well, about Jin vs Noel in CT, I always thought they were fighting and Noel was gaining the upper hand (Bolverk was maximizing Noel's fighting while Yukianesa was screwing up Jin) and then the mix between Ragna's presence and Nu awakening surprised them, Jin went after Ragna and the conmotion made Noel lose track of him, after Jin was defeated she found him again.

Yuki (the sword) putting memories in Jin may also show the sword is sealing the power of order. When she came across Nu, a huge phenomena alteration, the power of order would have been triggered, but putting memories back on Jin would mess his emotions, go berserk and hence blocking it. The same happens with Noel in CS, when Jin comes across her in his Arcade mode he is surprisingly calm, he is just "teasing" Noel, so what happens? Yuki kicks in and Jin goes completely berserk. Jin retains the feeling he must face off whatever triggered the power of order in the first place, but with his emotions amplified it just doesn't work.

Also in CS when he is walking away from Bang's home he starts wondering how people can live happily, what else there is to life, in that moment Yuki starts talking to Jin, trying to make him go on a genocidal rampage. So it's safe to assume the closer Jin is to get in control or realizations to strengthen his resolve Yuki messes up with his head.

I don't think Yukianesa is looking to lead Jin to bad outcomes, just seal his power in a very abrupt way. I think that the reason why Jin suddenly gets memories back is because they were part of what Yuki took away from Jin, and for that reason they weren't there when Hazama ate Jin's memories.

Though some thing that doesn't quite fit in all this thinking is why Yukianesa stopped listening to Jin when he faced Ragna again. That wasn't the peak of his insanity (that definetly was CT) and he was just being his usual psycho. You could say it was the Power of Order wasn't active at all and the sword didn't need to work to seal it, but that's stretching it without any proof.

I don't know if Saya is actually working on Jin through the sword, I always believed she was using that balance between Jin's natural power and the Nox's influence to guide Jin to master the Power of Order...well that is thinking Saya has good intentions. Could also be she wants the power of order out of the picture or that Jin likes swords, we don't have even clues on that part.

If Yukianesa was actually guiding Jin by feeding him memories to activate the power of order then Jin would have been completely unstopabble against Nu, Noel, Hazama and Ragna. But with Noel he was losing, Ragna destroyed him effortlessly and Hazama got a scare after Jin controlled Yukianesa.

PPFFFFFFT
Guys this guy is so high, everyone knows Jin's trying fool everyone into thinking hes straight. His true love is Ragna W

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