BlazBlue: Phase Shift 4 [Spoiler and Discussion Topic]

Takoto · **Posted:** Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:55 pm

SPOILERS. INTENSE SPOILERS. YOU HAVE ALL BEEN WARNED.
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So, the ending of BlazBlue: Phase Shift 4 has slowly been making it's way online. Mori has been trying to stop people posting spoilers because "it's just too shocking".

From Dustloop;

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Apparently the ending scene that WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT basically sets up Celica for possibly becoming a playable character in the future.

Tokkan - Source

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Kokonoe summoned Celica to the game-present era. Also, Celica initially mistakes Kokonoe's voice for Nine's. That's all I can confirm from reading the jBBS spoiler thread since there doesn't seem to be any context of how and why Kokonoe did it apart from user speculation. It's basically just a cliffhanger ending that says "To Be Continued... in the games".

As it is now, it sounds dumb, but people in Japan have been requesting she become playable and this could be taken as a sign that she will. And they could always explain it later

Really though, that's just a very brief bit at the end of the novel. Phase Shift 4 apparently also further explains the origins of the Nox Nyctores. Nine made the rest of them using cores (which are human souls BTW) taken from Take-Mikazuchi (the original Nox), she took about half of the cores from it to make them. After the Dark War and with the exception of Yukianesa, Bolverk, Ouroboros and Rettenjou, the Nox had their cores released and their powers sealed. This explains why Relius had to put Ada into Nirvana, Ada became Nirvana's new core allowing it to be activated.

Also, when Terumi killed Nine, he killed Trinity at the same time and shoved them both into a cauldron. He manipulated Trinity using her feelings for Kazuma in order to do it. Nine died because her best friend was a ditz in love with a fake man.

Tokkan - Source

~Personal Opinion~
Caelica being playable is a STUPID AS HELL twist and WOW MORI LOGIC.

Terumi killing Nine and Trinity isn't really a surprise, I'm glad my theory (well basically EVERYONEs theories) that he outright used Kazuma to manipulate Trinity was true. |D I feel bad for Trinity and Kazuma and people who ship Kazu/Trinity right now

The thing about Nox Nyctores cores is actually very interesting and I'm glad we've got some clarification on how the whole souls thing worked and the thing about Ada > Nirvana and all.

sordragon · **Joined:** Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:30 pm **Posts:** 2108

thats interesting.... stil Caelica playable? the people of Japan really wanted Caelica to be playable? not sure how she will works.... but Im sure that many people wouldnt like this....

Yeah, as expected, Terumi used the feelings of Trinity for Kazuma to kill Nine... still never expected that she killed Trinity, I mean, I was expecting that she dissapeared or something like that, seeing that she was in Platinum´s body, but I guess it make sense... Yeah, after I see the Extra Story "That Which is Inherited", and see the part with Nu, I though something like that. Now it makes sense, if Ada was the core to activate Nirvana, then... Trinity was the key to activate Muchourin (assuming that Nox was sealed)

yeah pretty good info, I will try to translate for another forum, excuse me :!:

RedVermillion · **Joined:** Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:14 pm **Posts:** 725

Good stuff. Explains quite a lot actually. However, be prepared for "RagnaxCelica" for BB:CP, lol.

Takoto · **Posted:** Fri Sep 21, 2012 6:53 pm

RedVermillion wrote:

Good stuff. Explains quite a lot actually. However, be prepared for "RagnaxCelica" for BB:CP, lol.

Well... speaking from a shipping point of view, it's better than Ragna/Noel and Ragna/Rachel. One is incest, the other is pedophilia. xD At least Caelica isn't related to him, and is of legal...ish, age.

Not saying incest and loli are bad, just they wouldn't become canon, probably.

Davina · **Posted:** Fri Sep 21, 2012 6:55 pm

I'm not really fond of Caelica being a playable character either, and surely Kokonoe or Jubei or someone else would of been a better choice

however

I'm gonna try to give the thought a chance, since if it's true I am somewhat interested in how exactly she'd play.

sordragon · **Joined:** Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:30 pm **Posts:** 2108

but Caelica will be as she was in the DW (young) or like now, that she is more old until Terumi comes? as for the shipping... dunno, I love RagnaxNoel, and im okay with RagnaxRachel, but RagnaxCaelica may have a chance... since... well, Ragna=Bloodedge, and they do make a good pairing

Lucalibur · **Posted:** Fri Sep 21, 2012 7:07 pm

...How is any of that shocking?

sordragon · **Joined:** Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:30 pm **Posts:** 2108

dunno, but its seems that in Japan Caelica its reallt requested... still, I believe that maybe, MAYBE, Caelica was created for that purpose, I mean, if I remember right, Mori say in Siliconera that he already have the entire story ended, this may be, that he MAY also refer to the novels
still, I could be wrong... Im not sure, anyway, I read in Dustloop that right now its 22° in the morning in Japan, maybe they will show something in TGS for this

NovaFortuna · **Posted:** Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:41 pm

Actually I don't dislike the idea of Ragna x Caelica. Rags needs some love in-universe, while Rachel does care for him 98% of the stuff she says are flat out insults and Noel is too shy about it (if there's anything to begin with). Seems that Ragna and Caelica got along (in the dark war) well enough in a honest way. I could be mistaken, though.

BTW, why are the opinions on Caelica so divided? Just curious, I haven't read he PS novels so I don't know her, but many also accuse her of being a spotlight stealer. Aren't the PS novels her story?

Takoto · **Posted:** Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:47 pm

NovaFortuna wrote:

BTW, why are the opinions on Caelica so divided? Just curious, I haven't read he PS novels so I don't know her, but many also accuse her of being a spotlight stealer. Aren't the PS novels her story?

Well, I honestly LIKE her character, but her being playable is completely ridiculous. It's said in the first novel she cannot fight like Nine can, isn't a fighter, and is a healer. The whole "sent into da future" thing is really... just... pulled out of nowhere/pulled out of Mori's ass.

Also, no, the PS novels aren't her story. Phase 0 was. She appears in every Phase/Phase Shift novel but they're not all focused on her. Phase Shift 1 is focused on Kazuma, Trinity and Terumi- with Cealica and Nine being characters with not a lot of focus apart from two major bits iirc. The other novels focus on the other six heroes, with Caelica as primarily a background/side character who pops up a lot.

But yeah personally, she's a boring character but I like her, but making her playable makes no sense.

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